one of the reasons for that, a lot of democrats like ed rendell and dianne feinstein, said hold on, bain is really good company. real quickly, martha. last week in the "wall street journal" it was reported obama's own white house reached out to another private equity firm, carlisle group to save a refinery in pennsylvania to prevent oil prices pro spiking. hypocrisy again. this is political benefit he reaches out to private equity firms to save his own hide. >> is this commercial for bain over yet do i have to listen to it. >> it is a fact. >> like ginsu knife commercials at 2:00 in the morning. i know you're not on the payroll of bain but please. made this point. it is not about bain. it is about mitt romney and mitt romney not being truthful what he did or did not participate in. now if it could be proven that he in fact did not participate and did in fact get out in '99 he is okay. wait a second. listen, i listened to the bain infomercial long enough. give me a second. the fact is when martha says it doesn't work, that advertising used against him moved romney not one iota, despite th